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Online Poker Sites Shut Down

As of April 15th, 2011, American poker players can no longer play at PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker, Absolute Poker, or Ultimate Bet. The online poker sites shut down service to all US residents around 4:00PM, after US Attorney, Preet Bharara (Manhattan), officially filed money laundering and fraud charges against the sites’ owners.

Early in the day, players began to complain that the poker sites’ URLs weren’t working correctly. The normal content on pokerstars.com, fulltiltpoker.com, ub.com, and absolutepoker.com had been replaced by an FBI logo. Underneath the logo was an ominous block of text, warning players that the U.S. Government had seized the poker sites’ domain names and that the poker sites were shut down.

This led many to speculate that the poker sites were pulling an elaborate late April Fool’s prank. Some suggested that the sites must have been hacked, as poker rooms are no strangers to Denial of Service attacks. But this speculation proved to be misguided when the South New York District Attorney’s released a news wire, officially confirming that indictments are pending against the poker companies.

The indictment names 11 defendants: Isai Scheinberg, Raymond Bitar, Scott Tom (of Absolute Poker fame), Brent Beckley, Nelson Burtnick, Paul Tate, Ryan Lang, Bradley Franzen, Ira Rubin, Chad Elie, and John Campos. Among the charges laid against the group are “conspiracy to violate unlawful internet gambling enforcement act” and “conspiracy to commit bank fraud and wire fraud.” Maximum penalties for the former charge are 30 years in prison plus a fine of $1,000,000, or twice the gross gain and loss from the laundering operation.

The Manhattan District Attorney claims that the poker sites paid payment processors to act as middlemen between the gambling sites and U.S. banks. These payment processors — including four of the defendants — would set up seemingly legitimate shell companies on behalf of the gambling sites in order to open bank accounts. If that failed, some payment processors would offer to ‘invest’ in fledgling local banks, in exchange for the bank’s facilitating gambling transactions. The poker sites would thus process deposits and withdrawals from American players via these shell companies and under-the-radar banks.

The Assistant Director-in-Charge of the FBI, Janice K. Fedarcyk, claims that the defendants “tried to stack the deck. They lied to banks about the true nature of their business.” It’s on the back of these claims that, it seems, the house of cards must now fall.

As a result of this, PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker, and Cereus (AP/UB) have banned Americans from sitting in at real money tables. As of right now, Americans can still open the sites’ poker software and click around, however U.S. resident attempting to sit in at a table will be met with a “restricted due to Government regulations” popup, and will immediately be removed from the game.

The status of cashouts is unclear at all four poker sites. Some players have reported successful bank wire transfers, others have repeatedly had cashout attempts declined, and others still have been frozen entirely out of the Full Tilt cashier window. Since over 75 “payment processors” have been shut down by the DOJ since the UIGEA came into play, it is unlikely that the sites will be able to legitimately process payments to U.S. players.

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15th April 2011
Anonymous

i am an american resident and just played for real money on ftp.

15th April 2011
Anonymous

F**k this asshole…

15th April 2011
chad

f**k the DOJ

15th April 2011
john

i wish the govt. would just tax the sites and call it good…instead they will spend our millions trying to get money that they could have gotten for free

15th April 2011
ANTHONY

Try going after Iran & Gadaffi,,And leave our entertainment alone..OBAMA YOUR A WIMP..And that Pig Hillery is not much better..She can not go 3 words with out saying,, AH, AH, AH, Ah, Ah <ah..

15th April 2011
Toasty

I’ve played all these sites and have seen this fraud for years. About time someone gets caught!

15th April 2011
Anonymous

surprized it went this long.Sucks though.Went to play and got blindsided by this BS.Hope I get my cashout to begin new when the government is involved in my next play.

16th April 2011
Anonymous

garbage! and the banksters robbed america’s wealth for their own personal greed and not one of them has been prosecuted. holder is a wimp. obama lost my support

16th April 2011
carolyn huss

I enjoyed it while it lasted. Living in California,where poker is legal, I never gave it much thought. Its a game of skill and not gambling. The best hand doesnt necessarly win. As all poker players know.

16th April 2011
noah

and still some people think its random. lol.The greatest con job in 50 years Full Tilt.

16th April 2011
eck1972

another example of government stripping US citizens of core values of freedom!! Like smoking cigars, we realize the risk factor, but please don’t deny us the option. True USA values should be based on freedom of choice… these our our fundamemental rights people!!!! Beware these rights will be denied to us more frequent as government pretends to know what’s best for you and I. Poker websites may have some blame in this case,,, however BIG Government is the true enemy!!!!!

16th April 2011
Texas Stud

Toasty, the news says nothing about fraud against players; it only says the website owners used third party businesses to enable US players to be able to pay for the real-money games. The owners weren’t apparently trying to rip players off but have disagreements with some in legal areas that don’t want us to have the right to play online poker. States that don’t allow gambling, llike Texas, but that also allow you to gamble at Indian reservations, feel bested by online operations that circumvent their “authority”. They want to tax the money and probably have no way to tax it, so are doing this for that. The websites could improve themselves by working to prevent gambling rings in boiler rooms/frat houses from taking over tables and cheating those that happen onto the table. I wonder how they fight that in Vegas or if they do protect single players from secret team players. Now with tournament formats where they assign the table, if they did that with money tables, so that you can select your preferred table but are forced to only play at one table they assign, that might fix it. Interestng development. I have only about $20 in Poker Stars, so haven’t bothered trying to get it returned. Kind of knew this was coming but thought they have lot more press warning US citizens that the DOJ and others are looking into shutting these sites down, so then people could easily have moved their cash out. I do feel for all the people who have thousands, hundreds of thousands in their account. I wonder what the total amount is shown for US accounts just at Poker Stars.

16th April 2011
shop

I played a lot on ptp and have never won any big amount and wasted a lots of my time. I am happy for gov decision. Now I don’t have to play anymore………

16th April 2011
Anonymous

I am an American and have played the FREE tables on UB for almost 6 years, amassining over 25 M free chips. I have NEVER deposited any real money. Why? Becauser I do NOT trust any of the poker sites!

Anonomous

16th April 2011
Carrot

wow, guess Vegas doesnt have to hurt anymore.

16th April 2011
ellymae

I have been playing money games on fulltilt for the last 4 hours….I live in Minnesota….that explains what is going on though

16th April 2011
Anonymous

I am an American and have played FREE chips on UB for almost 6 years, amassing ove 25 M free chips. I have never deposited any real money on any online poker site. Why? Because I do not trust any of the sites.

16th April 2011
Anonymous

It seem that the government could better spend it’s resources on the drug cartels on the Mexican border. Everyone who plays at the on line sites is doing it voluntarily and spending much less money than they would if they went to a casino. Give us a break, the right wing is at it again. They weren’t satisfied with injecting their views into our bedroom and sex life.

16th April 2011
Cynical

There is ZERO doubt in my mind that these sites are rigged–meaning that the deal is NOT RANDOM, that the action is juiced, and to a degree, the outcomes predetermined!–but I made the decision to deposit money or not based on my beliefs. For the Federal government to get involved and in turn to keep me from even playing for a chance to appear on TV (PokerStars loose cannon), I don’t know…. Can the government keep its nose out of anything?

16th April 2011
Anonymous

Play money tables still work at Pokerstars. That’s all I care about.

16th April 2011
Anonymous

where’s my money, honey?
how much did all the sites have in the cashiers’ at 4 pm today?

16th April 2011
Anonymous

IMPEACH THAT BASTARD OBAMA, HE’S NOT EVEN AN AMERICAN. BASTARD, IT’S A GAME U F’ING MORON. U PROBABLY ARE ONE OF THOSE IMMATURE SATAN WORSHIPPING S.O.B. PANSY MUSLIM WORSHIPPERS, EAT SOME PORK AND GET A LIFE

16th April 2011
republicansdidthis

stop with the obama crap. this is right wing agenda all the way, put in place years ago

16th April 2011
Kousin Karl

To bad I was having fun. But we don’t know what goes on behind the scenes. Seems like every time I find a good thing on the internet,it’s to good to be true.

16th April 2011
Anonymous

This article is inacccurate. Full Tilt, Ultimate Bet and other web sites are not “shut down.” Not only that, but Poker Stars has not been indicted. Rather, 11 individuals have been indicted. PokerStars has not been indicted becasue it is not breaking any U.S. laws. The UIGEA does not make online poker illegal and doesn’t even define or include poker, It only applies to sprortsbook betting. The Justice Department has again cleverly managed to confuse the public and the issues.

16th April 2011
Danny

ya amen on the fakes getting caught… they should get goldman sax as well

16th April 2011
Chief1377

You’ve seen this fraud for years?….No shit !!! Anyone who plays online knows that they use online merchants to get money in and out of US banks. It wasn’t a secret you dumb ass!!

16th April 2011
broke playeerr

Yep you can still play on FTP there are U.S players in Friday Night Fights 500

16th April 2011
Shayla

This is bullshit. Pokerstars.net games aren’t even for money. I tried to enter the Big Game qualifier FOR FREE and the dumb government pop-up came up saying that I couldn’t play a real money tournament…. DUH. That’s why I play at Pokerstars.NET not pokerstars.COM. What bullshit. Spending our tax dollars to fight such a retarded law. Its f**king poker. Not a slot machine. People are so dumb.

16th April 2011
Bullshit

wtf

16th April 2011
Shayla

I wonder if they consider play money home games “gambling” too. what dicks.

16th April 2011
nope

im playin now on full tilt

16th April 2011
Joe cool

I am not sure what is going on here. I truly look at this as a sneak attack by the american govt. They should have at least put some sort of speculation or warning in effect to give people a chance to transfer their money. I am sure there are thousands of poele freaking out now, cause they have no way of paying bills and so on.
Donal trump is smiling in his leather chair now, considering opening his own “trump online casinos.com”

16th April 2011
Anonymous

F**k you toasty you are a total dooche

16th April 2011
pokerlover

screw this guy. this just makes usa 1 step closer to rebellion and these fat cats dont even realize it.

16th April 2011
Bobo

We are the new Nazis. This is just the beginning.

16th April 2011
unknown

I hope the gvn’t share some of the billions that will be scheaming out of the scheamer’s with its people. spread the wealth please.

16th April 2011
Steve

I feel like crying…I just went on line to play for a while and wondered why I couldn’t access the site and then I heard on ESPN Sports Center about the shut down. Its really a double standard as there is no difference playing in a Casino or online, except for the 2 hour commute to get to the Casino. Regulate and tax the Industry please, it will reduce the deficit.

16th April 2011
layla24

too bad i cant play fulltilt anymore, i rather enjoyed it, but am sooooo relieved my cashout went thru 4 days ago, so rock on for all i care.

16th April 2011
Bobo

The U.S. Government needs to be “shut down”.

16th April 2011
WOW

It’s funny how the number of PS tables have dropped by nearly 40% because of the big bad gov’t. Really wish that they had more constructive things to do. For instance, how about we (the people) work on improving the economy.

16th April 2011
rp

i don’t think ub was affected

16th April 2011
hijinx

The laws that will be used to prosecute the alleged offenses has not been amended or changed recently, may I ask then what was the government doing for 6 years? Building their case!? Too little too late. I truly feel sorry for anyone that loses money because of this.

16th April 2011
Centura

Your own fault for living in a corrupt bankrupt evil country. All fine outside of US. Soon as the earth is rid of your light the better

16th April 2011
anonymous

I will be very happy that you rude americans will not be on the site anymore!!!

16th April 2011
DOJ-DEPT OF JERKS

i play with play money not REAL MONEY so why do you jerks bann us from playing just for the fun of it.

16th April 2011
Ray

There is nothing random about the dealing on all online poker sites. If you don’t play, just watch any game. Same old shit every hand. Try shoving your pocket aces all in and then have a GIANT stack call you with his 2 7. Flop is 2 7 7. IT is so obvious if you just watch. About time these crooks were shut down. I really can’t believe anyone really thinks these sites were legit.

16th April 2011
anonymous

Wow, in reading some of these comments I dont believe that most of you know why the government is doing what it is doing. They want there tax dollars, and for the people that have won, and never claimed it you are going to be in crap. The list of winners is going to be handed over,and they are going to be coming for there money. It is only going to start with the site, but then they are going to come after you. All I can say about it is that I’m happy to be Canadian where it is legal to play lol. Have fun playing for play chips suckers!

16th April 2011
aDEVIOUSone

Class Action!

16th April 2011
aariestiger

Takes forever for a SNG to fill up on PStars now…

16th April 2011
MemyselfandI

I stopped playing at FTP the night I watched eric seidel call his next two hands, then laughed about it. No way they are legit and hands are not rigged.

16th April 2011
Anonymous

haha, crazy, just lost my bankroll on pokerstars less than 12 hours ago, was about to buy in for more but decided to wait. crazzzzy.

16th April 2011
JOE

ABOUT TIME…PARTY POKER DID WHAT THEY HADE TO DO AND THESE SCUMS WANTED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SYSTEM…………ABOUT TIME HOPE THEY ALL ROT IN JAIL

16th April 2011
Anonymous

I wonder how much cash the DOJ and the FBI just “seized”….

Securing their paychecks since their bosses just went belly up I guess..

smart bastards

16th April 2011
Anonymous

will customers be getting refunded for the money lost on these sites

16th April 2011
Get the facts right.

This banned on Online Poker Sites in the United States is ridiculous. The US Government banned Poker Sites because they haven’t figured out a way to monopolize it yet…but give them time?. Now for the people who are falsely blaming Obama for this outrage please get your facts right. Bush and the republicans are the ones who did this back in 2006.

The UIGEA was signed into law by President Bush in mid-October, 2006, and makes it illegal for online gambling sites to accept funds or wagers from the United States if the underlying gambling activity violates existing federal, state or tribal law. The law does not make the player liable in any way, but makes the site liable for accepting funds or wagers associated with illegal Internet gambling.

16th April 2011
Anonymous

Funny, Bush signed in the UIGEA his last few minutes in office, not Obama. Now, Frank tried to get online gaming legal, then a rider went on and the one year stay was lifted by Congress on the UIGEA . Then Reid tried getting it passed but the BIG poker sites lobbied against it because they would not be able to get a legal license for allowing US Players to play after the UIGEA went into law. The casino’s that backed Reid didn’t want them to be licensed legally here in the USA. I think they are all back door ‘in it.

This is really funny, on April 13, 2011, “Nevada Assembly panel OK’s amended online gambling bill”,
http://www.rgj.com/article/20110412/NEWS11/110412025/1017/news11/Nevada-Assembly-panel-OKs-amended-online-gambling-bill-, now the big one’s are shut down to us, due to the indictments they will not be able to get a Nevada Gaming License and leaves the door wide open for Harrah’s Entertainment and their WSOP and the WPT. Now, the government will all of a sudden legalize it and life will go on. The casino’s had online poker at one time and couldn’t make a go of it so they took the sites down but now they are there just waiting on the word, been in the papers.

1. Poker Stars is legally licensed in England and Wales, where it is legal for US Players to play, they beat the good old USA to the punch, same as France. They get the taxes!! We lose the taxes!!

2. Third party processing has been going on for years with high risk companies, it is not illegal.

3. Offshore Foundations, Trusts and Corporations can be set up and as long as it does the business it says and the money is transferred/withdrawn into that account legally through the proper channels and by the country it is filed, I don’t believe it is money laundering.

4. The Banks have been caught with the greedy pants down again, don’t tell me they didn’t know what they were doing……Poker Stars and the rest of them didn’t need a bank to laundry their money through, they could have set up their own offshore bank with the so called billions of dollars they had and done their own processing..

I smell a rat, starts with Reid and his Vegas Casino backers and extents to the floor of our Senate. Home Land Security has used the excuse of 9/11 to again take more of our rights and freedom of choice’s away from us and should be disbanded. Getting more like Nazi Germany than the good old USA. Watch your guns and cars, they will be next and then the Internet. Poker is a wonderful skill and a pleasure to play and what a tax paying citizen does in the privacy of their home for entertainment should not be the governments business. Remember this in 2012 and vote them out.

Nevada Citizen
P. S. I didn’t vote for Reid, he is one of the reasons we need fixed terms for politicians.

16th April 2011
MDBLITZ

I had just started a winning streak and was close to getting a cash bonus from Poker Stars. I cashed out my account and am hoping I get a check from them within 15 days as they have stated. One of the best pastimes in my life is playing poker, I guess now there’s more time to surf for porn. Both poker and porn are alike, one your looking at fucking and the other your getting fucked.

16th April 2011
Wendy

Shouldn’t they close things down after these sites are proven guilty in a court of law? This is not the country I singned up for. I think it’s time to call a spade a spade, and make the Feds act according to law, and not punish the players while lawsuits are pending. Any attorneys out there should be filing injunctions!

I am waiting to have surgery, and cannot hop on down to the nearest casino. It’s not as simple for me, and I wish the do-gooders would shut-t-uck-up! Playing takes the sting out of my woes, and helps me concentrate on the game. Besides, my entire family has played poker down to my great great granfather. Poker is one of the great American past times. You can’t tell me there is anything wrong with playing poker. It’s good, clean competition. The gall of Feds is unconstitutional, unamerican and just plain pathetic.

16th April 2011
Cooperio

This is just the tip of the iceberg,wait till they crack the software engineers that have been designing the site to keep as many players playing as possible!

16th April 2011
Poker Master

these sites doing bussiness in the U.S. have to pay taxes too !

16th April 2011
wmm

Get your facts right – This was a law – the president doesn’t write laws- Congress does. The Congress was run by Dems at the time. Bush signed on – but he didn’t create it – the Dems did.

16th April 2011
Poker Joe

This is the biggest shit the government has ever taken on its people in a while. If someone likes to play online poker whats the harm in that. I dont like the under the table money laundering but that can all be addressed and changed and we all move on from this with a new outlook on online gambling. Taxing our entertainment is how the gov. peeps have been making their paychecks for the last 50 years.

16th April 2011
Anonymous

Let the ones who authorized and committed torture go…
Go after the poker players instead.

Obama’s and Eric Holder’s DOJ

16th April 2011
Mark

Well the government is betting with the peoples money. you tell me that a couple of greedy people will destroy the game of poker. then how much will the government raise there pay checks in the house. does this seem like the same thing or what ?

16th April 2011
michael

Just tried to enter a freeroll on Pokerstars….no dice!
Can’t believe this crap.

16th April 2011
michael

Being an American poker player sux right now.

16th April 2011
Prohibition #2

What a joke. . just like prohibition. We are supposed to be a free country. People in every other country in the world can play cards for money online, but Americans can’t? That’s not freedom. Who doesn’t play poker these days? I think Obama even plays cards – time to move out of country.

16th April 2011
michael

Not to mention poker is absolutely a GREAT American past time. We made poker popular to the masses.

Welcome to the land of the not so free…..

16th April 2011
casey

how do none of you even have money on there?? i have over 700 on FT

16th April 2011
mike

it sure is funny this coincides with the gov, shutdown cause they have no money!!!! well they ought to be able to run it now and call their escorts to the capital again….. haha

16th April 2011
jk

i live in england but cannot play, could not update so i removed it, now i cannot download the software, so sad :(

16th April 2011
deeman31

whats going to happen to my money?

16th April 2011
bigdeal

That would suck if you just hit a big tourney. Glad I kept my account low. Why are we the only country that fights for freedom and the first to take it away. F<<<<k

16th April 2011
Anonymous

We should set up a massive pker tournament in the streets of DC

16th April 2011
Anonymous

So the law was laid down in 2006, but these companies continued to operate thru the loopholes in the law. And it didn’t occur to anyone that the checks were being written by American banks? And they didn’t have enough evidence to indice them in oh say 2007? No, it’s taken them 5 years and a bill for 3 billion, interesting.

16th April 2011
Anonymous

A friend told me to join pstars so i tried it with no previous experience online. Within a matter of days i could tell the game was not random. WAY TO OBVIOUS. If u were making money on these sites you were probably in on it or incredibly lucky and didnt know it.

16th April 2011
Anonymous

When the majority of Americans wake up to why the law was passed (it wasnt for altruistic reasons), it will be changed. Consider who benefits from enforcement of the law – the Indian tribal casinos and the other legal gambling establishments in the US. It is those lobbies that led to this, not the religious right or any other “do gooder” group.

16th April 2011
George

When the majority of Americans wake up to why the law was passed – it wasn’t for altruistic or moral reasons – it will be changed. Consider who benefits from enforcement of the law – the Indian tribal casinos and the other legal gambling establishments in the US. It is those lobbies that led to this, not the religious right or any other “do gooder” group.

16th April 2011
nate

its the republican na-zi party at work again

16th April 2011
Anonymous

oh its all obamas fault you fckin idiots

16th April 2011
corey

its all obamas fault you fckin idiots

16th April 2011
Anonymous

Why do people insult obama for this… Three branches or government guys. Obama is not involved with the judicial branch

16th April 2011
Luddite_MC

It’s not enough they vote themselves raises. Not enough they have a health-care plan unto themselves. Not enough their “retirement” plan would make Gordon Gekko blush. There will never be enough to fill the pockets of Congress. Your personal freedoms-your American liberties-are on the chopping block. It’s not enough the rich and powerful win; it’s that the average citizen must lose. A form of entertainment today, cigarettes tomorrow, a line or two from the Bill of Rights next week. Sure, vote the short-sighted little dweebs out of office. See what you get in exchange. Both sides of the aisle were squalking about change all during the campain. We received and continue to receive nothing but Business As Usual from our “leaders”.

16th April 2011
doug canada

it may take time but certain states may run there own poker site
like we have in B.C. that way they make MONEY.

16th April 2011
Anonymous

I don’t live in the US but cannot download the new software on full tilt, anyone else having issues? Didnt have any problems with the Pokerstars update

16th April 2011
mike

I don’t live in the US but cannot download the new software on full tilt, anyone else having issues? Didnt have any problems with the Pokerstars update

16th April 2011
Anon

Well, this is what happens when you break the law, sooner or later you’ll be caught.

16th April 2011
Anon

I think this is a great decision. I have had feelings that there was something more going on with these sites than I could understand. I think it has been a scam to get billions of american dollars overseas.

16th April 2011
JD

This whole thing is about $$, they can’t figure out how to tax it and god forbid people make a little money. Which they spend helping the economy, but nooooo. Why would they let the masses have a little fun while he get screwed by taxation, seems yet another revolution started out going down these roads … perhaps those other countries have a good idea.

Greatest con ever is making us feel we are free … ha

16th April 2011
aussie 1

i am an aussie and i can’t download updates for full tilt even though i was updated it 2 days ago so i can’t play it and now cos i can get on it i lose all my money this suxs big time

16th April 2011
Let’s be real

“The government also filed a civil suit seeking to recover $3 billion from the companies.”

Where’s this 3 billion going to come from??? Sry, but directly from your seized illegal gambling Accounts. I know, it fu…kin sucks!

16th April 2011
John

Hahaha, I’m from Canada eh? and just w/d $$ with no prob. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

16th April 2011
John

Hahaha I just w/d my coin no problemo – from Canada eh? ;)

16th April 2011
do some research people

it was the democrats that sponsored the bill in 2006 to make online gambling illegal for US citizens and that is the basis of the online site freeze by the DOJ

16th April 2011
Bull shit

I have around 18k on full tilt from satelite tourney i have won and unregistered from, thats what im fucking adding to that 3 billion

16th April 2011
bodog

Dammm, I’m pulling my $money$ out of Bodog now. Will they be next in line???? IDK. But I cant take that gamble

16th April 2011
Anonymous

we should all support our american cousins upa us

16th April 2011
canada eh

we should all support our american cousins upa us

16th April 2011
Napoleoni

I always knew something stinks on the site.yust not real,sorry ass gringos.Get a deck start plaing old school. :P like we on the old continent

16th April 2011
Dave

Sorry stupids….Frist (R) inserted the bill in the port security act of 2006, bBush signed off on it. From wikipedia:

Antigua and the United States have been involved in a long-running World Trade Organization dispute over U.S. restrictions on online gambling. The WTO ruled on January 25, 2007 that the U.S. is in violation of its treaty obligations by not granting full market access to online gambling companies based in the island nation.[18] On March 30, 2007 the WTO confirmed the U.S. loss in the case.[19]

On June 19, Antigua filed a claim for USD $3.4 billion in trade sanctions against the United States, along with a request for authorization to ignore U.S. patent and copyright laws. This claim was filed a day after similar demands for compensation were made by the European Union.[20]

The United States settled the dispute by granting concessions in other sectors. The administration of President George W. Bush refused to disclose the details of those concessions, however. In April 2008 Congressmen Barney Frank and Ron Paul called for the agreements to be made public. They stated that the concessions “could cost the United States many billions of dollars in compensation” and that the administration’s invocation of “national security” as a reason to block disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) was “a misuse of the FOIA process.”[21] When the administration continued to keep the information secret, Public Citizen brought suit on behalf of Ed Brayton, a journalist whose FOIA request had been denied

16th April 2011
Joanne

I am playing on ub cash s&g right now……but i cannot withdraw any money. I withdrew 500 3 days ago which is listed as “pending” I think were screwed.

16th April 2011
ANONYMOUS

Right wing my butt. Holder is head of the DOJ, and Obama is the President. Must be Democrats writing that Reb.are doing it. What crap.

16th April 2011
Anonymous

Sad Goverment is robbing the value of the dollar, they tax us heavily for there mistakes..

then the piece of OUR pie we have left we are told how to spend that..

16th April 2011
UB aust

im playing on UB now, and they are still taking deposits LoL
so if i happen to win LoL and then dont pay out!!

16th April 2011
Anoymos

LOL good can’t wait for FBI to shut these cheating sites down for entire world. Online poker is a scam. Too bad all you clowns won’t ever see your cash that is in your account. FBI will take it all. lmao so happy donks now have to play live and can’t hide behind a mouse and rely on a cheating program to help out. You skill less fish will all go broke now. lol lol lol

16th April 2011
Peter

Why can’t I play in free rolls? That isn’t real money is it.

16th April 2011
John Smith

No longer am I proud to be an American ! We’re letting the US government treat us like whipped dogs.

17th April 2011
tom

The FBI and DOJ have yet to physically verify a SINGLE piece of plane debris from 9-11 yet has shut down poker sites. NOT ONE single piece of debris from 9-11 had a single serial number thought the FBI and DOJ want to keep you from playing poker online. Once you learn that your authority figures have staged and conspire to harm and steal money then you will now the poker shut down was a scam and that there were NO COMMERCIAL PLANE CRASHES ON 9-11 and that the entire war on terror was a staged fraud.

17th April 2011
oz

Its not just you Americans getting screwed im an Aussie and cannot play on FT either!! Not fkn happy.

17th April 2011
angrypokerstars player

has nothing to do with obama if you did your research you would know when the original bill was passed it was all good old boy republicans because they feel they have to legislate morality on everyone. From Sen scumbag John Kyl’s website
Internet Gambling

I have opposed efforts to legalize Internet gambling in the past because evidence suggests that it fosters problems unlike any other forms of gambling. Online players can gamble 24 hours a day from home; children can play without sufficient age verification; and betting with a credit card can undercut a player’s perception of the value of cash — leading to possible addiction and, in turn, bankruptcy, crime, and even suicide.

Efforts to carve out an exception for games like poker, which many believe is a game of skill, may be considered later this year. Until I have the chance to review them, I cannot make a judgment about their merits; but I will consider them carefully as long as they leave in place the broader proscriptions against online betting.

17th April 2011
trevor

i am a english player playing in england and i cant get in to my real money account to cash out so this is not just hitting american players but also british players which is unlawful, and i will be seeking legal advice against the FBI.

17th April 2011
anon

its time for the people to rightfully fulfill our duties as members of a ‘democracy’… and that is to take our govt back once it fails to provide for and meet the needs of its people fairly…. as it hasn’t ever since dubba (the candidate who received the fewest votes) destroyed everything this country was about… and obama and co. is just so fking socialist its sickening

17th April 2011
Christian

I’m danish, and I can’t get on FTP either.
What the FBI does to american citizens is not my concern (although I may have an opinion), but they should keep it federal (US), not international.
The FBI are robbers stealing my money.

17th April 2011
Christian

Please, all poker players. There was no other way for the US governement to get their financial deficit balanced. They need all this money more than you do!

17th April 2011
RG

This is great news for all of us taxpayers. Maybe all you fools will realize this is just a tax on the poor because most of you, as much as you may pretend, cant afford to do this and would rather rely on chance than hard work to make money. Then when you lose everything the rest of us taxpayers will have to support you through social assistance because you were too lazy to or stupid to realize what you were doing.

17th April 2011
deeman31

RG you couldn’t be more wrong i work hard and support my family, when they all go to bed I like to pull up to my comp and play a little poker. Its my hard earned money and for the gov to tell me how i can or can not spend it is BULL. Supose to be land of the free.

17th April 2011
alphav

Here is how I feel about it. Online poker will never ever replace live poker. Where I live I have the choice of eight poker rooms/casinos to play at. My favorite room is world class. All this noise really doesn’t effect me. When I play online it’s only play chips, which I call practice. But even at that online play just gets boring. I can play hours in a live room, but one hour on line and I get the ‘jimmy legs.’ Fact is, all this will wash out. There is simply too much money to not figure out a way to make this 100 % legal. My guess is that PokerStar and FullTilt, etc. will be gone from the scene eventually and the American based casinos will move in. But in the end the bottom line is online will never replace live.

17th April 2011
RG

Gambling and lotteries are a tax on the poor. it is an addiction and an expensive one to the taxpayer. Nobody plays “a little” poker except those who are kidding themselves. The odds are stacked against you huge when you play in a casino and the gaming sites are unregulated so you are even a bigger fool if you dont know how they are set up. No Poker site ever went out of business because they couldnt make money. Dont kid yourself my friend and if you work hard to support your family which I have no reason to doubt you should not deny them the benefits of your labour by foolishly giving it to criminals.

17th April 2011
Wendy

The concept is getting lost. It is not illegal to play poker on line in most US States. I think Washington is the one state where it is illegal. These poker sites are being charged with fraud. My question is, until these sites are found guilty, why do the players have to suffer? Isn’t it unconstitutional to treat this thing as if they have already been found guilty? And isn’t there something about a domain name shut-down only after a trial and conviction? I don’t get why the FEDS are getting away with this. This is, as one poster suggests, an example of Geo. Bush law — putting the cart before the horse — and absolutely ignoring the Constitution. He KNEW he could get away with any BS he wanted. He depended on the ignorance of the masses, and the time elements involved in finding justice thru the court system. IMO, he absolutely ruined this country, and it will be a long time before it ever recovers.

FYI, PokerStars has a new website. For those living outside the US, try, “www.PokerStars.eu.com.” Good luck with that.

Meanwhile, a restraining order needs to be issued on the FEDS, stopping them dead in their tracks. They are breaking the law, because in the U.S., you have to be proven guilty before receiving punishment. Also, it sure would be nice to see people fighting for their rights for a change, esp. since their money seems to be up for grabs, too. Why should the people take the fall when they are not a party in this action? But, not only are they being set up to lose their favorite past time, they are losing enormous amounts of money to boot. Outrageous! The FEDS really need to be stopped and rethink this thing. Afterall, isn’t it the people they are trying to protect? Rest my case.

17th April 2011
Elle

I am so angry right now, and expect any and every one of us to be when they have just taken our right to spend our time at home as we choose. I hate seeing some of the negative comments on here (due mainly to the fact that they are either 1) a complete bore and prefer activities such as complaining about things they never take part in anyhow..or 2) the few people that have never attempted to build up enough skill to actually win at poker with more than just dumb luck) and I’m seeing alot of people in the same mind frame as myself, however what I’m not seeing is a list of who I should be emailing or calling in order to vent my displeasure over this to. From what I understand, I have the entire senate to blame for this, but I’m one of those people that likes to go straight for the heart of the operation, so maybe a list of the 10 most active in this to make it happen will suffice. I propose everyone begin to do the same as it doesn’t seem like much is going to happen if we are only complaining online and not really putting much effort into getting it unbanned by voicing our anger to them specifically. I also have to believe that this was something constructed last minute in order for the gov to get it’s hands on some free money. Whoever made the comment about the banks never getting into any real trouble (bank bailout???seriously?) hit the nail right on the head. Those people really were attempting to screw every single us citizen it could find in their path but I guess once the gov got their cut of it, they laid off and attempted to help them get around the laws (I still see people getting all of their hard earned money taken from boa and can do nothing about it). This is sickening in many ways to see such a bs move by our own leaders in an attempt to get control over something they should not have control over. Get your hands out of my pockets you greedy jerks.

17th April 2011
Anonymous

its not obamas fault douchebag! and futhermore this is an infringement on the right we americans hold as a value.. our freedom to spend our own money to win more money is an american principle dont take this away from us!! just tax it like you do everything else uncle sam we all know it all comes down to being about the money!! you dimwhits that say it is hey it was a 2006 law guess who as in the white house then?? yeah so shut ya mouths if anyone is gonna allow you to play poker on these sites in the us it will be obama not the bush’s dumbass

17th April 2011
Anon

Full Tilt is shut down for even play money games. What a crock of cr*p!?

17th April 2011
Ken Gunning

Does anybody know why UK registered players can not log on ? Is there any where you can mail to claim the funds you have in your account? It’s the poker players who are being punished for this we have done nothing wrong.

17th April 2011
Anonymous

The US Federal Government wants to regulate online poker in order be able to collect TAXES. Pure and simple. This is not about going after fraudsters and money launderers. Those of us who enjoy online poker need to let our elected officials know EXACTLY how we feel about this.

Sadly, this is not the America I used to proud of.

17th April 2011
Anonymous

Full tilt is officially done. If you are in the US you can no longer play for even “play” money. Can’t access account at all. I am sorry for all of you who have placed your real money on these sites, and glad that I was wise enough to never do so! Goodbye full tilt and thank you to the government who just gave me the gift of my time back! ha…

17th April 2011
Leahla

Full tilt is done. Can anyone even get on the site? I can’t. I believe no one no matter where you live will be able to get on this site anymore. Your money is gone….you foolishly put it there to begin with, and now you get what you deserve. How foolish are you to put real money in an online poker site? REally? Are people that stupid or is this a world full of addicts desperate to gain a buck in a way that is not logical ? DUH…wake up…go live life now and stay the fuck off the computer. lol

17th April 2011
not necessary

“It is called “The Illuminati”factor…….hmm………

17th April 2011
really?

so the chick that runs her mouth about putting money on an online poker site say “she cant get on”..and the one who says “stay the **** off the computer”, well posted it..As far as this being something people should’ve considered before, Texas Hold Em’ has been around for over 100 years..so how is that no logical..i mean people buy things online HOPING to get an outcome, doesnt that seem like a gamble? online poker should continue one way or another, it takes the angry gunshot from the guy who got suckered out, well right out of the equation.

17th April 2011
Jay

PHUCKING TAX all the players cashing out, similar to when you win $ in Vegas/Reno- they ask for your social security # & 1099/W2 your azz or what ever it is (I got one b-4 for winning $720 in a $100 trny), actually won $720-100 entry-$50 dealer tip because i was drunk=$520, tax on $520 probably like the pucking lottery (say half) so actually won $285, phew wow! Here is my solution to the US National Debt> taxing on-line poker sites will generate multi-millions (perhaps billions) of US $ per year & dump all the tax funds in a US National Dept. high-interest slush fund account, probably just pokerstars alone will take care of this, not to mention Tilt, Absolute, Helmuth’s whining little site, etc… 10 years from now I predict national debt will be history on behalf of US poker players, HA HA. Just the simple $4.40 S&G 180 player trny on Stars assuming runs every 15 min. give or take=$0.40×180(4 per hr)(24 hr/day)(365 day/yr)=$2,522,880 not to mention ALL the other trny’s & cash tbl’s & last month’s 60,000+ player sunday million ($15.00×60,000=$900,000+) just for hosting the sunday million, WOW; an average of 7500 to 8000 players play the weekly sunday mill, not to mention all the qualifiers & pre-sunday mill trny’s. These site’s yearly gross income must be SICK & i bet exceed the top 100 Forbes richest SOB’s!

18th April 2011
Anonymous

lol love this shti n wish they all go to jail for cheating lol lol lol

18th April 2011
Richard

none of the poker sites are “done”, and I can play for free chips i just cant do the freeroll, or use my very small amount of money on there. Lidigation on this will take about 6 months just for the first trial

18th April 2011
Anonymous

these site have our account number, how safe is it now?

18th April 2011
ben

Well I live in Vegas, so it won’t affect me too much i guess… only now I’ve gotta wait til I turn 21! dammit, two more years of honing my skills without money involved :/

18th April 2011
Back to work

Everyone knew this was coming, just no one expected it overnight. Someone stated we should be able to play until they are proven guilty, and that was one of the few useful posts on this board. Thank you to the posters which included facts. For those of you which just complain about it being rigged…you guys just need to come to terms with the fact that you aren’t very good. Period. I have stats for hundreds of thousands of hands. I’ll be damned if those stats don’t prove it’s not rigged. I will miss paying bills with your untaxed money though :)

18th April 2011
caddlife

this is a huge revenue loss for a lot of people. Too bad the shady scammers had to get so damn greedy. Now hopefully my money transfers back to my account. That’s my food money damnit.

18th April 2011
*

All of you that condemn online poker, just wait, your time is coming. I’m a liberal by nature but this is just gone too far. I see two types of haters out there. The bad player that vents his/her frustration for thinking they were a better player than they really are, and the misinformed zealot that feels they are above the degenerate gambler. Sit back and feel righteous, that is until they come for something you enjoy. I have very few vices left in my life and playing $ 1:10 dollar games is about as innocent as any vice out there.

First they came for my neighbor; I did nothing; then they came for me; no one was left to help.

18th April 2011
RG

Here’s a great idea for Oliver Stone. Lets start an online gambling site that advertises as not being a gambling site. Everyone can play for free. No really. Well except for those addicts who get bored so lets offer them a little real money gambling. OK they took the bait so now we have the demographic we are looking for. Lets get them comfortable and then start getting them to deposit their own money JUST IN CASE they arent winning. OK… lets see if we can get a couple of hundred thousand who all deny they play for money to deposit the money they claim they dont play for. When we have a big enough pile of everyones money lets have the Big Bad Feds shut us down and we keep all the money that everyone claims they dont bet. How many of these chumps told their wives last week that they lost two grand because the government shut down their favorite poker site . Not many I would imagine. What a great scam. I cant wait for the movie.

18th April 2011
poker brat

The major sites are not rigged. We regular players run software that would let us know if the stats deviated even 1% from random over the long haul. They would be fools to rig the games. They make billions on the 5% rake as it is so why would they risk it. I play a pure mathematical game with 6 tables open at a time. I pull money out monthly so it is only the lousy players who lose regularly and claim they have been cheated. This Canadian is really going to miss all the American fish though.

18th April 2011
trooper

unreal aint it tax my weed govern my buds now they want to tax my winnings lol fbi is a joke rich get richer right

18th April 2011
deeman31

RG I know a couple people like you, your the type who goes to happy hour w/ ur buds everyone buys a round and when it gets to u, u slip out the side door after telling everyone u had to use the rest room. then you head home turn on fox news and pleasure yourself. your idea of fun is doing the sunday morning crossword on monday. u had to wait untill monday because thats when your neighbor throws their paper away. I don’t like people like you and your friends probably talk about u behind ur back.

18th April 2011
marge 1222

Don’t blame the right wing – the left is in power at FBI. I am a card carrying Republican that loved playing at Poker Stars. Two weeks ago I deposited money in My husband’s account as a birthday present. We are no big gamblers – I had less than $25 and he now has less than $75. We are retirees living on Social Security and this site allowed us the joy of gambling without risking the big amounts you have to in a casino. This is a sad day.

18th April 2011
anonymous

Nevada citizen had it right (see above). It makes me sick to see everyone turn this into a bi-partisan issue. My fellow citizens can turn a cheesburger into a partisan issue. Wake up folks. You are making me sad to be an American. Blah blah and blame. Get over your damn political affiliations.

18th April 2011
Jay

Hmmm… what happens to all the US “Team PokerStars Players” like Berry Greenstein, Chad Brown, Moneymaker, Williams, Dennis Phillips. Joe Cada… Well these guys are rich anyway. Wonder how long stars will keep their name up. I like how Joe Hachem lives in Vegas but shows Australia for his Country, guess he’s exempt. Those MOTHERFUCKERS senate law make’n son’s of bitches & FBI can kiss my phucking azz right after I took a oily shit. I thought USA was “the place to be”. The IRS act like terrorists with a badge which gives them permission to do what ever the phuck they want (I wonder if any IRS employee ever got audited?), Senators have the terms ‘politician’ & ‘serving their constituents’ shoved so far up their azz you need a 18-wheeler big-rig cherry picker to get it out, the Democrats & Republicans argue so phucking much- if a Democrat starts to mumble or stutter the beginning of a sentence… the Republicans quicky shout “NO…, PHUCK NO, PHUCK YOU YOU OBAMA LOVER, ABSOLUTELY PHUCKING NOT, BTW GO PHUCK YOUR-SELF’S” with just provocation… this is what it seems like to me lately (past year) watching the news. Maybe we are not progressing in the US or global. This poker shutdown probably will not help. Are terrorists actually using these sites for money laundering? I read this somewhere… I have to say no (especially on pokerstars), I have tried doing this before with 2 other buddies on stars; my friend could not cash out, he had like over $9000 something & won a big tourneyment on stars…, well stars sent him an email to verify his name & address & the last 3 statements of like a phone bill or bank statements…, well he real name was banned from stars for insufficient funds… well me & other friend went to a cash table & the guy with $9000+ lost all of it to us & we tried to cash it out… WELL Stars caught it & we all got in trouble for “Illegal dumping…” & “Fraud, Money Laundering…” etcetera, etcetera… Point is pokerstars caught this & we were on a cash table for less than 1 minute. So, money laundering can’t be done (at least on STARS). I’m 99% the major sites are legit, … well I have cashed out winnings many times & the check cashed ok. Is all the US money pouring out of the US economy? Tell OBAMA to stop dropping those $500,000 dollar phucking bombs… It boils down to MONEY, plain & simple GREED >> GREED is primary reason that caused great depression 1930′s & today’s modern marvel 2007-present (BANKS) & those greedy individuals that profited fast on behalf of the low & middle class people that had with their new loan even a higher dept to income ratio & were tricked into bad loans (GREED). THE US GOVT. WANTS A PIECE OF THE ACTION, LETS GIVE THEM MONEY BY TAXING ALL WINNINGS, problem is stars & tilt & other sites don’t want to open their books, their gross profits are probably to sick to comprehend…………

19th April 2011
Jay

WHO is the primary responsible person(s) and/or political party? I’m a registered demo-rat & I voted for Obama last primaries. IF i find out that the demo-rats and/or Obama are affiliated in this shutting down these poker sites THEN PHUCK YOU, I’m voting Republican next election… But, Mitt Romney kind of scars me, please don’t tell me Mitt lives in Utah & is a Mormon & has multiple wives (that’s what his image tells me for some reason?), & Sarah Palin reminds me of my mom (cool, but perhaps not a good candidate for US president), I don’t know, I may vote independent next election, PHUCK YOU FBI & IRS & ALL THOSE MOTHER PHUCKERS THAT SPENT THEIR BELOVED TAX PAYERS TIME TO SHUT THESE POKER SITES DOWN.

20th April 2011
RG

Deeman…. it is unlikely you know any people like me and I am not sure what the point was that you were trying to make. None of what you said seems to have anything to do with this but the fact that your solution to your little gambling problem is to run at me tells me all I need to know. I have a sneeky suspicion you are one of those losers ( and I use that term in the literal sense) that the others here have spoken of making money off of. It is also quite amusing to hear peopel talk about how skilled they are.

21st April 2011
Killa

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21st April 2011
Killa

Nuff said!!

21st April 2011
Pokerjojo

Face the facts. If you’ve got cash outs pending, you will never see it. Bye Bye money. Hard lesson, well learned.

21st April 2011
Brandon

Regarding the Recent Online Poker Shutdown……consider this a letter to the Editor.

Online Gambling is not illegal. That’s a common misconception. The government tried and never could pass making the act of online gambling illegal, because they have no jurisdiction over dealings through the internet. The internet is something they cannot “police”, based on our constitution. In 2006, UIGEA (Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act) was introduced into law, as a backside addition to a last-minute Homeland Security bill relating to Terrorism. The government does this all the time….adding backside legal verbiage to a totally unrelated law that’s passing through congress, to push it through without any attention. This law made it illegal for US Banks and financial institutions to process money transfers or payments to Online Gambling sites. In essence, they couldn’t make gambling illegal…..so they made it illegal to deposit funds in order TO gamble.

So…..to get around that, the poker sites made up fake businesses so that when a debit came across a bank account, it read “Flowers.com order” or “PetSuppliesCheap.com” or whatever. So that it didn’t get flagged by the bank as a payment being requested by a gambling site, and never got noticed by anyone. (This is odd, because in all the times I’ve made a deposit, its ALWAYS said “Pokerstars” on my bank statement. LOL) At any rate….this is where the “Money Laundering and Bank Fraud” charges are coming from. They’re not REALLY laundering money, because the money was obtained LEGALLY where their business is domiciled……Its not like they’re taking illegal drug money and laundering it through a valid business. They’re taking valid business money, and having to “launder” it through banks illegally due to the stupid law.

What it boils down to is….they’re killing 2 birds with one stone. #1 being the big one…..#2 being a positive byproduct of #1.
1) Tax Revenue. The government is broke. They’re writing checks they can’t cash, and their checkbook is WAY out of balance. And they’re pissed off because there’s businesses making millions off of Americans without paying a red cent of taxes. But they’re not getting tax revenue because of their own unwillingness to change. The truth is, these sites have been asking our government for YEARS to setup a proper plan for regulation and taxation, so that they could FULLY access the US Market (including the people who might play, but don’t play, because they think its illegal). But they don’t want to do it, because its not US Companies reaping the benefits…… think of when you’re broke. You start thinking about the people you loaned money to that never paid you back 3 years ago. It didn’t matter when you had money, but now that you’re broke…..you’d better give them a call and remind them they owe you that $50. The government is doing the same thing. They’re going through and finding the big revenue areas where they have no tax revenue coming in, and shutting those areas down. Because if they don’t get theirs, then no one should. And they’ve disguised this “crackdown” as a morality thing. They’re doing it for “the better good of the American Public, so that they won’t get taken advantage of by these big bad overseas Mafia-type Money Launderers and Criminals.” So that way, the people who don’t understand the situation see it as a “Good” thing….because these guys have been labeled “Criminals” and “Money Launderers.” And the general public then likens them to the Mafioso’s of the 50’s and 60’s, running Moonshine across borders and evading taxes on the whole thing.

2) Eliminating the Competition in order to set the stage to legalize it, regulate it and make it big American Business. This benefits American Business, AND them in the form of tax revenues. I have no doubt in my mind you’ll see http://www.harrahspoker.com, or MGMGrandpokerhouse.com (or something like it) in no short time at all. They’ve created the demand by shutting down the 5 million+ American’s who currently play poker online. Now, once they open up the American sites….American’s go there because they have no other choice. Then, the rest of the world will follow, because they want to play where the majority of everyone else is playing (for shot at more money). It’s the greatest idea in the world. But also….completely crooked and corrupt. In fact, if an American Company did something like that without the government’s backing, they’d be in court for “Monopolistic practices” faster than you could turn in your Get out of Jail Free card.

If they had HALF a brain…..they’d just start up a competing site. “PokerAmerica” or something like it. Proceeds go directly to the budget deficit. Sadly, they’re probably too late here though. If they’d just legalized it 5 years ago, before the big Poker Boom occurred….we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. But….They’d accomplish two things. Their tax goals, along with NOT alienating 5 million+ voters by shutting them out. Any half-minded American who plays online poker would then CHOOSE to play on that site. They wouldn’t have to be forced. Because they pay a “rake” (what the house gets) either way. So if I’m gonna pay it either way….might better it go to the budget deficit then some fat cat in London. But no…..instead, they force a shutdown disguising it as a morality thing. Shut out all American Players….and then strongarm them into doing what the government ultimately wants.

Its complete bullshit…….But also, Its just hilarious to me. These people in government expect the general public to just sit around and nod their head at anything they say. Like we’re all just complete idiots…..sadly, a lot of us ARE complete idiots.

They label these men Money Launderers and Fraud Conspirators. For creating a place for people to play a card game for money. They’re up front about their “take” for providing the place….and once they get their “take”, they don’t care who wins. They’re simply providing the service and the avenues to move money back and forth. The only people taken advantage of are the ones who “think” they are good poker players, by the people who ARE good poker players (which by the way….is true in EVERY casino, cardhouse, lottery booth, and pulltab spot in the country that’s already LEGAL). In fact, you could make the argument that the odds on the poker table are MUCH MUCH better than the odds in your local lottery or casino. ”Sure! You can go to any of the hundreds of Casinos in this country. Or Canterbury Park or Running Aces Poker Room. Or to the gas station to buy a State Government run Lottery Ticket or 2……But wait? You want to play poker……Online? NO WAY! That’s illegal, and you’re a criminal!” No joke here…..they explained this by saying that at Casino’s and Card Houses, there’s oversight and people with Gambling problems can be controlled and turned away. Online, there is no safeguards in place to stop someone from running their life into the ground. Funny….I’d implore you to show me a single casino in Vegas who turns away a big spender. In fact, they lure them in further with free hotel rooms and meals and everything else……via frequent customer and club member cards. Ever been to the gas station to buy a scratch-off and had them say no to you because they didn’t think you shold be spending your money on it? I know I haven’t…….So then why, all of a sudden, do we need to be protected from these big bad Online poker sites? Oh yeah….because they don’t pay taxes, that’s why!

Furthermore……you had Wall Streeters “gambling” with Trillions of dollars of American’s money in the stock market. And doing so online, on top of it. So what’s the difference if I bet my money on Pocket Aces, or General Electric?? These people were buying and selling people’s debt as commodities, at pennies on the dollar (because they’ve already made money on what they’re selling to someone else) as an investment opportunity. And when these “investments” went south because people couldn’t pay their bills anymore, because the 2nd, 3rd and 4th owners of the debt had to raise the interest rate to get their cut too…..they blame it on the consumer for overspending and not budgeting. Its THEIR Fault because they spent too much on that house. Not ours, for advising them they could afford it, and then selling their mortgage to someone else for the quick return on investment….knowing the person who bought the debt was going to hold or raise the interest rate on them. Then…… after losing those trillions and blaming it on the public, you turned around and propped the Wall Streeters back up with Taxpayer money. Money that came from the very people that they ripped off in the first place. Yet none of those people are going to jail. None of them committed Fraud or caused harm to the American Public. In fact, they took vacations to MExico, and enjoyed Hefty Bonuses for jobs well-done! That’s not a morality issue….right? They toppled a world economy by making bad investments to take advantage of the public. So lets give them more of the public’s money so that they can continue in business, and take vacation as a reward for doing so.

The major difference between paragraph 1 and 2 is…..one pays Taxes. The other doesn’t. So what we’ve learned today, class…..is that its ok to take advantage of the general American public. Its ok to lose their money, and then take more of their money in order to stem your losses from losing all of their money in the first place. As long as you pay taxes. But if you don’t pay taxes….we’re going to throw the book at you, because you’re a criminal. What? People are starving? Who cares! We need to concentrate on the REAL problem. These people over here are playing POKER…..ONLINE! What? We have a high unemployment rate? Most people owe more on their house than its worth? And the economy is in the dumps? That can wait! We need to take care of the real problem plaguing our nation. These people over here, playing POKER…..ONLINE. PLEASE Don’t pay attention to the fact that we’re bombing Libya against your collective wishes, and we’re spending Billiions fighting wars in Afghanistan, and Iraq, and getting involved in political goings-on in Iran, Egypt, Syria and Pakhistan…..these people over here are playing POKER……ONLINE……for MONEY.

And we wonder what’s wrong with our government. Why we’re in such a huge national debt, and why we can’t seem to get out of it……Because we’re spending taxpayer money on a Current-day Witch Hunt. When you could list off 10 needs off the top of your head that are more pressing…..

Speaking of General Electric above……they made $8 Billion last year. Following a standard corporate tax rate, that should have created close to, if not more than, $1 Billion in tax revenue. Yet GE didn’t pay a cent of taxes in 2010. Because their accountants are so good at their job, that they were able to find enough write-offs to even out the return. Write-Offs like Charitable Donations, and purchases of already-failing businesses….so that you had some “lost revenues” to write off of the profitable business’ revenues.

Sorry…..as you can see, I’ve done my research. And, I’m pretty passionate about this current situation. To me, it’s a sad day in our history. Because we’re the country that STARTED the Peace and Freedom movement. We’re the country who spit in the face of Kings and Queens when they tried to tell us how to run our country, how to spend our money, and how to treat our people. We’re the country who fought ourselves because a group of people wasn’t being treated as fairly, or as free, as one side’s opinion thought they should be. We’re the country who drafted, and signed into law, a document providing certain Freedoms to everyone residing in our country. Freedom of speech, to bear arms, to be a capitalist nation…..make and spend money as we see fit, as long as it doesn’t cause harm to anyone else. Yet I can’t sit in the comfort of my own home and play a game of cards, with my own money. That makes me a criminal……so much so, that the government needs to step in and protect me from myself, and the heathens attempting to take advantage of me. God….whatever would I do without a 3rd parent as great as our government?

There are 4 countries in the world where online gambling is “Illegal” and outlawed. One of them is the U.S.A. The other 3 are China, North Korea and Iran. Communist nations, where their people live in conditions our countrymen and women would consider unlivable. I never thought I’d see the name of this great country listed with the likes of those 3….

Signed,
An AMERICAN Online Poker Player

23rd April 2011
ronjon

AHHHH hello .. these f**king loser sites are cheating you dummies.. its obvious .. just watch the math.. they pay the draw hands on all the freerolls and lower stakes games.. its fucking bullshit!! then the complete fucking idiots who just sucked out with 7 2 off -now he thinks he can play.. so what does he do .. YEP!!! he goes and gets his CCard.. and deposits .. $$$$$$ ..Site makes $$$$$$$$$. they are f**king c**t shine thieves deserve whatever happens .. they have been stealing from millions of people for years ..and are getting thier coming’s around .. f**k -em .. bunch a thieves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

24th April 2011
Stan

HA-ha Americans banned kinder surprises and now poker , what’s next sporks???

24th April 2011
courtsidecal

Poker Stars tried to steal money from me. I had to seperate withdrawels from my bank after my acct had been frozen. I am currently suing the company for 100,000. My bank also is suing them for fraud.

25th April 2011
RG

Very well written Brandon but there are a number of very important facts you are missing. Who will pay to support all of those people who lose their life savings, their retirement money and everything they own because of a sickness they have acquired because it was availalbe to them. Casinos brought htose people in from everywhere and bankrupted them but others of those pathetic people could not travel to a state with legalized gambling so now they can lose all their money while sitting their fat **s in a chair at home. All of the professional poker players make their money off these losers who will inevitably become a burnden to the US taxpayer. Dont kid yourself about your consititutional right to lose your money. This is a sickness for many people and the healthcare system will not be able to cure them. You dont care about those people and you hide behind your constitutional right as a means to take advantage of them. If you need to gamble go gamble with your buddies in the basement. Someone has to protect those who cannot protect themselves.

If someone told you that they were about to put on the market a product that would kill millions of Americans a year, cost the taxpayers billions a year in healthcare to care for them while they die would you sit back and let the product go out to market? And if you did and those people were told they could die because of it would you refuse them healthcare because they crearted their own destiny by killing themselves and then asking you to pay for their attempt at recovery. That is a mistake made long ago with the tobacco industry that now cannot be undone. It is an addiction just like gambling. You dont think so? Make gambling available as easily as cigarettes and generate the tax revenue for the govt that cigarettes produce and see what happens. The difference is that a human being can only consume about $25 a day on cigarettes. A gambler can spend that in 60 seconds. A cigarette smoker will not break into your house to steal in order to support their habit. Be careful what you wish for because you are creating a monster that the next generation will never be able to support.

25th April 2011
Sam

I think its all happening because US gov. is hurting for cash big time. Plus most recently Russia and China made a deal to not use US currency between them but rather create their own bargaining currency , sort of like the Euro in Europe, and the experts say this is gona put a bigger dent in US economy.

25th April 2011
RG

Who in their right mind would deposit $100,000 in an internet account run by an offshore company that does not fall under the jursidiction of US law?

A seriously addicted gambler who unfortuantely is only the tip of the iceberg in this collossal mess.

25th April 2011
Brandon

Those who cannot protect themselves? That’s ridiculous. When will people stand up in this country and allow people to be responsible for their own actions? IT wasn’t smokers that ruined their own lives smoking. It was those nasty Cigarette companies for selling the product. IT wasn’t that stupid ladies fault she burnt her lap with hot coffee at McDonalds. It was theirs, for serving hot coffee (as if anyone wants their coffee any other way but hot.) Its not the drunk driver’s fault he killed that family driving home after a 12 pack at the bar. Its the bar’s fault, for not cutting him off properly. Bullshit. We’re adults. We need not be babysat.

And if you honestly believe the cost to treat a few hundred “Problem gamblers” outweighs the loss in Tax Revenue, and many of the other distinct points I brought up relating to taxes and other “Gambles” currently being taken in our society legally…..then you’re right. You DO need someone to babysit you. Because its obvious you can’t function on your own…….

25th April 2011
Brandon

Its YOU who needs to pay attention to what you’re saying. What sort of precedent would you like set here? What would you like next? For the government to eliminate all unhealthy food options, because we’re too fat as a general public? Outlaw guns, because you might shoot your neighbor by accident? Maybe we should take the privilege to drive away altogether, because tens-of-thousands of people die every year in accidents.

Allowing the government to block out and eliminate something in our lives takes away our freedom to make that choice ourself. And would set a precedent, allowing them to take that further as they see fit. If you can’t see that, you must have your head in the sand…..

26th April 2011
joseph_csendes2010

It really doesn’t surprise me. I’ve said it all along, that these sites are as one said, predetirmined to a certain winner, (a house player). And other comments are right as well. Our government want’s to do this and do that, but then they have done things to screw up our land and the planet, all countries collectivelly. But who cared then? Now we see the rising price of oil. Wait! Let’s not use a good portion of our reserves. Why not? Will that not at some point soon enough, cause the airhead countries to lower the prices? I would think so. If they don’t sell to us, be honest, who the hell else buys like we do? You are all right. It’s another way of keeping us down. Free speech though, lmao.

26th April 2011
joseph_csendes2010

Hey Brandon? I agree. But in reality? Have we ever really had a choice or voice? We vote, but we see how that went in Florida several years back.

26th April 2011
Brandon

True. Sometimes, things seem rigged. But I played on Pokerstars. I’m not going to go out on a limb and say I got rich off of it….but I certainly won a few tourneys here and there. So to say its rigged to a house player is a ridiculous notion. I think it was rigged more for speed of the game, to keep things moving, then to benefit a certain specific player. That’s why you’d see so many big hands vs big hands…..

But….you’re bound to think its rigged. In an hour’s time, you see 10 times the number of hands you’d see in a casino or poker house. Because of speed of play. Now, factor in that most people played 2, 3 or more tables at a time. So now you’re seeing 20 or 30 times the nubmer of hands per hour as you’d normally see. Following the law of averages, its safe to assume you’d likewise see 20-30 times the number of suckouts and low odd hands hitting.

If people thought about it logically….they’d understand its not rigged. They’re just not as good as they thought they were……

27th April 2011
deeman31

just so everyone knows about it being rigged, I was playing a while back and this guy seemed to have my number at a six handed ring game. He kept taking my money and I thought i was better than him and i kept putting more money down. I got sick of losing and finaly left the game. well about a month had passed and i loged in to my account and i had more money in it than i should have. I then checked my E-mail and FTP had found that this person and three others were all sitting at the same table and colaberating. anyway full tilt refunded every dime i lost to him and i had no idea i was even being scammed.

28th April 2011
RG

“A Few Hundred” problem gamblers? Who has their head in the sand? You just made my case because none of you think you have a problem. There are laws in every country to make sure people dont do obviuously stupid things. Do you want to remove those laws and just say that we are all adults and should be accountable for our actions? Gambling is a serious addiction fuelled by denial.

29th April 2011
Anonymous

Pokers Stars has issued a credit to my bank account for not only all the money I had but gave me money a un-played ticket to a game I had. All is good here untill US players can play again.

2nd May 2011
T.e

my country will have no option but to shutdown fulltilt pokerstars as serious fraud has taken place , if the law has been broken in america then there must be serious misgivens in my country all though it saddens me to say this, but the law is the law.

2nd May 2011
Raxinald

You people surprise Me.
Ive been on-site at PS for 5 years..and learned alot.
Ive learnt this – the Play money tables are far more than play money – They are run by a Group of players who hold hands with Moderators,Chat team members and Several Employees of PS.
They scam and they Threaten and Intimidate other players by sending out a team of Crashers – to crash other tables..and Why?
Becos these Hosts”- collect tips from games such as Rage, Races, Guts etc…which they then sell for $8-$10 US per million.
They are making a significant amount of Monwey..all dont thru Paypal, Western Union etc…. I know of a Ex Moderator – who told Me – She regularly sent cheques for $2-$4000 US into the States from Canada, being the proceeds of Play Money chips sold on behalf.
These sites are a joke – they are staffed By dishonest People, Dis-ingenious Moderators, and Security – and a Chat team who support and pass Information on to those Players they favor.
Of course – they all deny it…but the Evidence is building up – I can only Trust, that in time – these dirty low-lifes get caught.
No-one can Trust a Computer Programme – installed, serviced and operated by Dis-honest Characters – who have nothing but Profit in Mind.
Play there – at Your Peril.

11th May 2011
Canadian

Hi peoples, I always believed when pokerstars said that they have state of the art technology in dealing with fraudsters, well me and my other 2 friends have setup 3 bogus accounts , we made sure the account addresses are all from the same city and all info is alike. after that we played for a week together on 1 table helping each other out over the phone after we realized that theres absolutely noone to tell us otherwise we stopped and play individually as poker is meant to be played . LOL

12th May 2011
addicted

will it be possible to get money lost back?
that would kick ass!!!
I’m glad it’s gone.. don’t have to play anymore…. good cards never won….

12th May 2011
addicted

I agree with you RG, it is a terrible addiction, and they made it all too easy to lose all your money

19th May 2011
C.T.

pokerstars texas hold’em was so much fun playing for play money please let us have that entertainment back. its just play money (Chips) thats all

23rd May 2011
PokerStars SCAM

Is about time the Pokerstars SCAM was shut down

24th May 2011
jimmy

lets face it these sites are a scam any honest company would not be money laundering. if they are capable of that then they are capable of manipulating the programme.criminals only have 1 thing in mind and that is money now they havent handed over all the cash they owe to there players why you may ask becouse they want more rake from the europeons to pay these debts which makes me think they will rig the programme for action to generate more rake shady criminals with shady practices trust them at your own demise.

27th May 2011
J.C.

I used to play alot in the Freerolls on PokerStars. Never deposited any real money in my account. I was always trying to win a seat in one of those Freeroll Tournaments. Even the Freeroll Tourney’s are shutdown. That makes no sense to me at all. Its total BS!! I’m from Toronto, Canada and have lived now in California since 2009. I’m not even a US citizen, but because my IP Addy is pinging from the US, I am banned from playing in any Freeroll Tourney because they (site owners) claim that the WINNER of a Freeroll Tiurney is paid in cash. I wonder what Vegas is going to do for the WSOP. How are they going to get the crowds to watch that now, since no one can qualify anymore for a seat in the real game in Vegas. Whoever is the person responsible for squashing this is a TOTAL FLUCKIN MORON!

12th June 2011
silverski

If you think its scam or rigged your on tilt or you haven’t played enough.Its poker and if you keep losing read a book or two.It was cheap entertainment.The government is getting more and more communist.I though the people were the government?

15th June 2011
f.uckThe Govt

Stupid fuckin piece of shit government

16th June 2011
Buzzia

I am really happy, all poker sites are cheaters.

18th June 2011
rookioe

I guess it’d be a good idea to ask your senator about this issue cause of e;ections coming up, I’m sure its a good question that they can put in the debate somewhere lol.

30th June 2011
biggs67

put $ in fulltilt,now cannot login,good on ya tilt,so how long b4 we get our $ back,if at all,lol,im done with online crap like this& i hope i never hear thier fn names within earshot,because i wont be held responsable 4 my actions lol

1st July 2011
xdaddiox

just because he cant play the game he shutting it down for selfish reasons

2nd July 2011
MrsRohland

i just want to play with play chips,,,,,this is bootyand the feds should get bent!!!!!!!!!!!!

8th July 2011
kuv da kitty

me too, so much stress releaved, so tired and had fun lol, something went wrong

8th July 2011
kuv da kitty

1 more time miss it bad, play money was fun, don”t stop that, now me huband, wants to actually lose money, thanks y”all, devorce in site, what the hey?

14th July 2011
bv

I cant believe how f’ing stupid some of our US citizens are. This f’ing idiot who blames this on the “right wing”!!!!!????? Are you kidding me????? This has liberal/socialist bulls**t written all over it. Right wingers want to be left alone you freaking idiot. It’s stupid f’s like you who are to blame for Obama being in office in the first place. F you!!!

15th July 2011
anon

LoL love paid commenters posts.

22nd July 2011
bobby

i loved getting so high and playing with myself and texas hold em two times the fun he heee hee

22nd July 2011
BIG BILL

After playing for play money for a long time and building up a good sized bank I can’t play anymore. WHY CAN’T THEY JUST LET US INDIVIDUALS THAT PLAY FOR PLAY MONEY CONTINUE TO PLAY UNTIL THIS MESS GETS STRAIGHTENED OUT????????

25th July 2011
^_^

loved the game… deposited no more than $100 and lost it all in a period of 2 years… but still loved the game… live in NZ but unable to play it as the software is on a “trying to connect again” loop… now I play against real people, in the real world, to win real money… but I say “Thank You FTP for giving me the confidence to play live games”

27th July 2011
honest player

The key point to remember is that the sites have not scammed players during the time the sites were trading, the US government consider the actual running of online poker to be illegal. The US government needs to legalise online poker. Players money in accounts is currently frozen as the government siezed it, the owners of the companies only profited from rakes.

30th July 2011
ps

gay

1st August 2011
Anonymous

this is bogus how do they do this shit

18th August 2011
Anonymous

they need to let us play if we want to play

20th August 2011
Yesh smart girl

They even scam u on the free sites for chips. I made a firm complaint and ever since np. Sucks it’s not real money. It’s just practice which I have to tell u works for me. When I go to the casino I can have shitty cards all night and still come home with money. Go to the casino. Play smart and if you’re truly one that can handle ur all or nothing personality at the table, u will make money.

20th August 2011
Yesh smart girl

Oh and one more thing, if Americans want to blow off steam about our government that’s one thing but not one person defended our country when comments were made about us, so I speak up for all Americans. There is good and bad in all, if u can not say that u are a liar. Step up to the plate and show me ur perfect country….. I thought so… think before u speak, save urself from total ignorance.

20th August 2011
Yesh smart girl

Also for those who are not aware and want practice, you can play Zynga on Facebook. It’s play chips. It’s practice. Take ur game to the real table when ur ready. Worked for me but I had a bf that taught me so well he couldn’t beat me heads up, haha so ya I had practice already. It did build my confidence though to go to the casino. Still one of the few girls at the tables but makes me more powerful !! Love the game… the money is secondary to me… but it sure is nice :) yesh I would trade my job to be a pro, lolz

28th August 2011
Red

You are worthless liberals.

22nd September 2011
Anonymous

lol to all the people who are ignorant and want obama to be booted out blah blah blah. Face the facts, you are the ones that voted Bush into office. Bush…really?? Coco the chimp probably has a better understanding of how the government is supposed to be run. If you guys really want to see why the US is so messed up, take a look in the mirror first instead of taking the easy way out and blaming someone else.

1st October 2011
chris

justhe money pretax the money when loading and use the money to dial down the national degt

4th October 2011
paul25

i want my free chips back!!!!!!

28th October 2011
Izaac28

I guess they are doing that for us to go get out of our homes and spend our money outside or in the casinos, and get some dui’s. To help the economy.

17th November 2011
asshole

When did this happen?

17th February 2012
Sonic

….innnn thhee laaaaannddd of the freeeeee….

Yeah right.!

17th March 2012
Paul Tate

Now PokerStars is manipulating the site against US Residents.

First they manipulated the site to generate action in betting.

Now, since they cannot bet real money, US Resident are merely pigeons used to build confidence in other players in hopes they go to the real money tables.

23rd March 2012
WtfAnon

I’m a fan of online poker sites for Play Chips only. Nothing beats going to a casino and playing with real money and despite the algorithm they claim to use so people cant calculate cards odds of being dealt, I prefer to use Play Chips. Yes it’s bad news to the people who are not able to collect their rightful funds from these sites, but restricting US players from free play does get annoying. Same goes for slot machines online. Free slots with free credits are being restricted as well. (Try finding a site that offers “Cats” slot for free without getting a message that it’s restricted from your jurisdiction) There’s always a risk and even at casino’s “the house always wins” but I still prefer to not use my own money online. It’s good that the gov was able to detect this news, but what these people need to do is speak with a lawyer about getting their funds back. As for the comment on taxing sites, they already do. Both online and casino’s pay taxes. Native American casino’s don’t have to worry on heavy taxes…

24th April 2012
Anonymous

I’m glad its closed. Too many people are addicted to gambling. I love to gamble. I see that as a priblem

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